tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post1455399480988283283..comments2024-03-27T21:43:02.451-04:00Comments on NEW SAVANNA: Subjectivity vs. Objectivity in the epistemic and ontological senses (John Searle)Bill Benzonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08360044945265178991noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post-30345555114928965772023-11-10T10:08:21.489-05:002023-11-10T10:08:21.489-05:00Well, "objective" can mean intrinsic or ...Well, "objective" can mean intrinsic or inherent to the object, or it can refer to producing the same result no matter who does as in a test being objective because it produces the same score for the same answers no matter who scores it. That would be the case if the scoring follows a well defined set of instructions on how it is to be scored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post-75394674306112714362023-11-10T02:59:26.328-05:002023-11-10T02:59:26.328-05:00I don't know what "algorithmic" vs. ...I don't know what "algorithmic" vs. "intrinsic" means.<br /><br />"whether something is amazing to a certain person is a matter of fact. " Agreed, that's what I said. But the fact that Something is amazing to Person X, while being epistemologically objective, does not imply that Something is ontologically objective. It is still ontologically subjective. The Bill Benzonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360044945265178991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post-6377793770838337712023-11-09T23:00:54.193-05:002023-11-09T23:00:54.193-05:00OK, so "objective" in "epistemologi...OK, so "objective" in "epistemologically objective" basically means "algorithmic" rather than "intrinsic".<br /><br />As for my earlier comment, although whether something is amazing is a matter of opinion, surely whether something is amazing to a certain person is a matter of fact. After all, the statement "That machine is amazing to Bob" is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post-7374554451178237472023-11-08T19:03:02.424-05:002023-11-08T19:03:02.424-05:00Hmmmm.... Amazingness is surely a subjective pheno...Hmmmm.... Amazingness is surely a subjective phenomenon, that's ontology. So, your first statement is about something that is ontologically subjective. <br /><br />On the second statement, if it is true that you've said that and all observers agree on it, then it is epistemologically objective that you made that statement. But then whether or not you've made some assertion, any Bill Benzonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360044945265178991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6535481649727720492.post-13840198757345790252023-11-08T16:34:12.858-05:002023-11-08T16:34:12.858-05:00So if I understand, the sentence "That is am...So if I understand, the sentence "That is amazing" has a subjective ontological framework whereas "That is amazing to me" has an objective one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com