COWEN: Is Lee Cronin right or insane?
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ZIMMER: Lee Cronin is a chemist in Scotland at University of Glasgow. He has this idea that you can explain life with a theory that he and others call assembly theory, which is about, basically, how many steps does it take for something to get produced?
The things in our bodies, the molecules that make us up — some of them are very small and simple, but some of them are exquisitely big and complex. Lee and others argue that life is what is able to assemble things beyond a certain threshold. This might be a way to actually identify life on a planet, even if you don’t know what life is made of. We can’t assume that life is just made of DNA; that’s an unreasonable assumption.
Life on Earth already blows our minds in many ways — at least mine. Life on other worlds — maybe that bet is right, and there’s life on Enceladus or some other icy moon. It might be really, really, really strange, but maybe we can recognize it by this assembly index.
Not only could this assembly theory be a way to recognize life, but it might be actually a way, Lee Cronin thinks, to make life. In other words, it guides you in basically creating a set of chemical reactions where you’re creating these . . . right now, he’s got these robots that are basically making droplets with different chemicals in them in these vast numbers of combinations. He’s wondering if they will eventually start to take on some of the hallmarks of life.
In other words, yes, he is trying to make life. He’s actively trying to make life right now. A lot of people think he’s crazy. A lot of people think he’s quite brilliant. Some people think he’s both. [laughs]
COWEN: I like him. I don’t know if he’s right. He’s a lot of fun to talk to.
ZIMMER: Absolutely, yes. It’s been really interesting watching assembly theory come to the fore recently. Some scientists really take badly to it in a very hostile way, but this is often the case. It feels like sometimes people are just talking past each other and they’re not really speaking the same language. Because assembly theory is new and it’s very interdisciplinary, I think it’s going to take a while for the scientific community to really engage with it and decide whether it holds up or not.
As I argue in Life’s Edge, life is a property of matter. Scientists are trying to explain it, and some of them are trying to explain with a theory. Superconductivity is a property of matter, and there were a bunch of theories that were put forward about it, including by Einstein, and they were wrong. It wasn’t until, eventually, some people came up with the right theory that really clicked in and had a powerful explanatory power. We’re not there yet with life. Maybe Lee Cronin is going to be like Einstein and he’s wrong, or maybe he will be one of the people who is right.
It would seem that consciousness is a property of matter as well, hence panpsychism.
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