After we have at the beginnings [of film], what can we say today about the results? What has film accomplished since then? Once, after a meeting in which films were glowingly discussed, a well-known poet challenged me to name one film that was the equal of the greatest work in other arts, the work of Sophocles or Dante or Michelangelo or Bach or Tolstoy. The answer was, is, double. First, there is no such film. There may never be such a film. Second, who is the Sophocles or Bach of the 20th century? Great artists there have certainly been in our time, and I would not blithely equate even the best films I know with the work of Joyce or Picasso. But few would rank Joyce or Picasso or the other masters of our time with the greatest artists in history; and the overwhelming fact is that, arriving in this century that has been stormy even for the oldest arts, film has created hundreds of works that are now part of the cultural legacy of every civilized human being.
Thursday, June 6, 2024
That Shakespeare Thing
Tuesday, June 4, 2024
What does evolution have to teach us about Shakespeare’s reputation? [founder effect, Bloom]
The founder effect
Imagine a group of monkeys living in an imaginary Unhappy valley. The valley is called Unhappy, because there are too many monkeys and too little food. In the search for more bananas and oranges, a group of four monkeys (who happen to be shorter than the rest of their group – just by chance) takes a risky trip to an unknown land, possibly full of predators. However, they get lucky: they find another valley with lots of bananas and no monkey competitors. So, these four settle in the Happy valley. They give birth to many children, all of which share the genes of this initial small group. As a result, most of the monkeys in the new colony are short – like their four ancestors. And – it is important to stress – they are short not because this trait is adaptive (i.e., it was not selected for), but simply due to chance. It just happened that the founders were short – by chance.
The contemporary literary field – Modern European literature – began to take shape in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. The main reason for this was the invention of the modern nation state: a radically new way to organize societies (Hobsbawm 1992). And at the avant-garde of nationalism were Germans. They did not have a united state, and they felt the need to obtain it more than anyone else. A state united by a single nation, a single language, and... a single literature. German intellectuals started thinking about their literary canon earlier than the intellectuals in other countries. They started inventing the canon.
An appeal to the senses, feelings, and imagination – this is what Shakespeare’s plays could provide for readers tired of the over-formalized and rational classicist drama. [...] However, it also happened that this was a decisive place and time in the history of European literature. It was the moment when, along with the formation of the modern nation state, modern national literature was formed, having a canon of “geniuses” at its center. Shakespeare was not the founder of modern literature, but he was chosen by the founders.
Shakespeare and the invention of the modern
Let us turn for a moment to Harold Bloom [3]:
Western psychology is much more a Shakespearean invention than a Biblical invention, let alone, obviously, a Homeric, or Sophoclean, or even Platonic, never mind a Cartesian or Jungian invention. It’s not just that Shakespeare gives us most of our representations of cognition as such; I’m not so sure he doesn’t largely invent what we think of as cognition. I remember saying something like this to a seminar consisting of professional teachers of Shakespeare and one of them got very indignant and said, You are confusing Shakespeare with God. I don’t see why one shouldn’t, as it were. Most of what we know about how to represent cognition and personality in language was permanently altered by Shakespeare.
Something had happened which made Amleth's madness ploy less effective. An individual can escape contradictory social demands by opting out of society. But if the contradictory demands are within the individual, if they are intrapsychic, then stepping outside of society won't help. If anything, it makes matters worse by leaving the individual completely at the mercy of his/her inner contradictions, with no contravening forces from others. That, crude as it is, seems to me the difference between Amleth and Hamlet. For Amleth, the problem was how to negotiate contradictory demands on him made by external social forces. For Hamlet, the contradictory demands were largely internal, making the pretense of madness but a step toward becoming, in reality, mad.
The difference between the story of Amleth and Shakespeare's Hamlet parallels the difference between the Oedipus story as it was in Homer's time and as it came to be in Sophocles’s. Just as the superego evolved between thirteenth century Greece and fifth century Greece, so it had to be recreated between twelfth century Denmark and seventeenth century England. The Elizabethan audience demanded defense against their dark impulses while the Medieval audience settled for some slight of hand which let the impulses work toward a happy ending.
According to [Lawrence] Stone the English family was, during the sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth centuries, reconstructed to accommodate affective individualism, which stressed autonomy, privacy, and long-term emotional commitment. Stone sees a three part movement, from the Open Lineage Family (1450 - 1700), to the Restricted Patriarchal Nuclear Family (1550 - 1700), and finally to the closed Domesticated Nuclear Family (1640 - 1800) - note the overlap in the dates, the evolution is gradual and affects different strata of society in different ways. My argument is that while the marital and familial conventions in Shakespeare's plays are those of the earlier family types, he is using them to work out the inner dynamics of the domesticated nuclear family, which is restricted to a couples and their children. The male integration of masculine and feminine characteristics which Shakespeare finally achieved in the late romances is suited to the domesticated nuclear family, but irrelevant for the earlier types. If we think of literary works as equipment for living (Burke 1973), providing us with ways of organizing our experience, then Shakespeare's plays provided people with ways of organizing experience which were consonant with the demands of the nuclear family, which didn't appear in any very strong way until after Shakespeare's career was over.
The play in which this affective shift is most explicitly thematized is Romeo and Juliet - that the story existed in many versions in Europe makes it quite clear that the conflict it captures was an important one. Romeo and Juliet are caught between their private desires for one another and the public feud between their families. Those private desires became the ideological foundation of the domesticated nuclear family, a family contracted out of the mutual affection and desire of the couple and extending only to their children. The public feud between the Montagues and the Capulets reflects the dynamics of open lineage. Mere marriage centers on the lineage; it is an alliance, political, economic, and social, between two families. In this alliance the bride is assimilated to the groom's lineage. The personal, and private, affection between Romeo and Juliet was at variance with the public conflict between their lineages. With the claims of both person and lineage being deemed valid, there was no outcome possible but stasis. A new couple is constituted, but only in a death which ends their lineages.
Saturday, March 30, 2024
I was right, Shakespeare isn’t real (Lit Lab 17) [#DH]
I'm currently thinking about Harold Bloom and his Bardolatry. Thus I'm bumping this post to the top of the queue as it is directly relevant. The following post is relevant as well: What does evolution have to teach us about Shakespeare’s reputation? [founder effect].
Western psychology is much more a Shakespearean invention than a Biblical invention, let alone, obviously, a Homeric, or Sophoclean, or even Platonic, never mind a Cartesian or Jungian invention. It’s not just that Shakespeare gives us most of our representations of cognition as such; I’m not so sure he doesn’t largely invent what we think of as cognition. I remember saying something like this to a seminar consisting of professional teachers of Shakespeare and one of them got very indignant and said, You are confusing Shakespeare with God. I don’t see why one shouldn’t, as it were. Most of what we know about how to represent cognition and personality in language was permanently altered by Shakespeare.
Popularity/Prestige
Monday, October 16, 2023
Once more unto the breech! Shakespeare and Bankman-Fried
Over at 3 Quarks Daily, Joseph Shieber has a nice piece on the Bankman-Fried Shakespeare controversy that seems to have gotten so many folks riled up: "Oh, he’s wrong. So are many of the people coming at him." Later on Shieber argues:
The appearance of a Shakespeare or a Newton is like winning the PowerBall – an almost miraculous event. Given the analogy to miraculous events, I can sympathize a bit with Bankman-Fried’s contrarian impulse. Many millions of people believe that Jesus performed miracles, but that doesn’t incline me to accept the divinity of Jesus. Bankman-Fried seems to think that the near-universal acclaim enjoyed by Shakespeare is more like the belief in religious miracles; the various testimonies on behalf of Shakespeare’s genius are not independent, and therefore cannot serve as strong evidence of that genius.
That's worth thinking about, especially that those last two clauses, about testimonies not being independent. No, they are not. They are coordinated. That's a theme I get around in the comment [below the asterisks] I made on Shieber's piece.
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Thanks for this, including the link to Bankman-Fried's old blog post. The question of Shakespeare's greatness has interested me for some time, and I've written a number of (somewhat) different blog posts on it. The most recent is in response to the contretemps over Bankman-Fried and the oldest in response to something Stanley Kaufman published in The New Republic back in 1989, where, in so many words, he observed that we don't make 'em like we used to.
Bah! Humbug!
You are correct about "genius." It doesn't follow the laws of probability. They are outliers, these geniuses. Nassim Nicholas Taleb, would call them black swans. Their occurrence is not predictable. But then much in culture is not predictable. When films are released, no one knows whether or not they'll break even much less make a profit or even become blockbusters, something Arthur De Vany has studied with some care in Hollywood Economics.
And I fear you're correct that Bankman-Fried hasn't attended to Shakespeare well enough to be entitled to a serious opinion about his greatness. He simply doesn't know what he's talking about. Still, I find it hard to believe that Shakespeare really is the greatest writer of all time, or even the greatest writer in Western literature. He's certainly very good, as good as any I warrant, but I just don't find the idea of "the best" very meaningful. There really is a lot of inertia in the system, and Shakespeare is hardly the only beneficiary of it.
Our esteem for Shakespeare reflects two things: 1) his inherent quality, which is difficult to measure and judge, but is real enough, and 2) the dynamics of a cultural system. On the latter, let me offer an observation as someone trained in literary criticism.
For professional purposes it's convenient to have a writer everyone agrees is the best. As professionals, our purview is necessarily narrow. Romanticists look at texts written between, say, 1780 and 1850 and will generally specialize on a handful of those. But what if one of us specialists wants to argue some general point? If the Romanticist hangs the argument on Keats, no one will read it except other Romanticists. But if you rest your argument on Shakespeare's mighty shoulders, then everyone will see it and be interested in it. And so we agree, tacitly of course, no vote is ever taken, that, yes, Shakespeare is the best. I suspect that Shakespeare has a similar value for the public even if, truth be told, they'd rather read Tolkien, or, I shudder to think of it (the horror! the horror!), J.K. Rowling – for empirical evidence on this point see J.D. Porter, Popularity/Prestige, Stanford Literary Lab 2018. Societies need common reference points and so cultures provide them. Shakespeare seems to have won that particular lottery. I mean, even the Klingons claim him as their own.
Sunday, October 8, 2023
In partial defense of Sam Bankman-Fried on Shakespeare [there IS a serious issue here]
This passage, which, I gather, is from Michael Lewis’s biography of Sam Bankman-Fried, has been burning up the Twittersphere (Xosphere?) in past couple of days:
Literary critic, Sam Bankman-Fried, on Shakespeare: pic.twitter.com/AjrsWv60JF
— Aaron Gwyn (@AmericanGwyn) October 6, 2023
It is offered as an example and evidence of his, well, of some sort of deep deficiency.
I’m willing to believe that SBF is deeply flawed, but at the core of that passage is a serious issue.
Setting aside SBF's Bayesian framing, just what is going on that we – whoever WE are – have declared this 16th-17th century playwright to be the world’s greatest writer? Is it really possible that, with so many people having been born (and died) since Shakespeare, that none is as good a writer? Well, sure, in the spirit of anydamnthing is possible, it’s possible. But how likely? Is Shakespeare really better than, say, Rabindranath Tagore, George Eliot, Alexander Pushkin, Honoré de Balzac, Miguel de Cervantes, Dante Alighieri, Murasaki Shikibu, Sophocles, and so forth through a long list – and we haven’t even gotten to the Klingon masters? What’s the standard of judgment?
Anyone who approaches Shakespeare does so knowing that he is the best. Anyone who reads about his work, who studies it, can rattle off reason after reason why he is so good. In all this we are just replaying judgements and assertions that have been set in place by others over past centuries. We do not bring naïve sensibilities to Shakespeare. We do not and cannot approach him, or any other canonical writer, innocently. Our judgements are borrowed from others as much if not more than they are our own.
That’s how culture works and Bankman-Fried is right to question it, if however clumsily.
Having said all that, let’s continue on by considering Harold Bloom on Shakespeare's greatness. In a post with that title I quote Bloom as saying:
The principal insight that I’ve had in teaching and writing about Shakespeare is that there isn’t anyone before Shakespeare who actually gives you a representation of characters or human figures speaking out loud, whether to themselves or to others or both, and then brooding out loud, whether to themselves or to others or both, on what they themselves have said. And then, in the course of pondering, undergoing a serious or vital change, they become a different kind of character or personality and even a different kind of mind. We take that utterly for granted in representation. But it doesn’t exist before Shakespeare.
I’m in no position to contradict Bloom’s judgment on that. It seems credible to me. That’s sufficient to ensure Shakespeare a place in the canon. Shakespeare is a great writer, irreducibly a genius.
A genius, a place in the canon? That’s one thing. But the best ever? I know what the words mean, but I don’t believe that conjunction of them means much of anything. Or, rather, what it means is some expression of cultural faith, some display of cultural affinity. It’s not a matter of objective judgment. Literary achievement is too complex, too multidimensional, to admit of the kind of one-dimensional scalar ranking that puts one individual at the top.
Here's a post in which I explore that issue: The Hunt for Genius, Part 2: Crackpots, athletes, 4 kinds of judgment, training, and Cultural Context. I begin by observing that it is easy to determine just who is the fastest sprinter in the world. That’s something we know how to measure. What about the best gymnast? That’s more complicated. The best athlete? Still more complicated. Judging artistic accomplishment is, if anything, even more complex. I’m inclined to think we can rank artists in levels, where the artists in a given level are said to produce work of the same quality, but that it makes no sense to declare any particular artist to be the unique best.
Then we have to consider the fact that Shakespeare was writing at time when the world was changing. That puts him in a position to benefit from what evolutionary biologists call the founder effect. Oleg Sobchuk explains it [pp. 93-94]:
Imagine a group of monkeys living in an imaginary Unhappy valley. The valley is called Unhappy, because there are too many monkeys and too little food. In the search for more bananas and oranges, a group of four monkeys (who happen to be shorter than the rest of their group – just by chance) takes a risky trip to an unknown land, possibly full of predators. However, they get lucky: they find another valley with lots of bananas and no monkey competitors. So, these four settle in the Happy valley. They give birth to many children, all of which share the genes of this initial small group. As a result, most of the monkeys in the new colony are short – like their four ancestors. And – it is important to stress – they are short not because this trait is adaptive (i.e., it was not selected for), but simply due to chance. It just happened that the founders were short – by chance.
He then points out [p. 96]:
The contemporary literary field – Modern European literature – began to take shape in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. The main reason for this was the invention of the modern nation state: a radically new way to organize societies (Hobsbawm 1992). And at the avant-garde of nationalism were Germans. They did not have a united state, and they felt the need to obtain it more than anyone else. A state united by a single nation, a single language, and... a single literature. German intellectuals started thinking about their literary canon earlier than the intellectuals in other countries. They started inventing the canon.
And they centered this canon on Shakespeare because he suited their Romantic sensibilities. They constructed his greatness, not from nothing, but from the conjunction of his texts and their needs – I say a bit more about this here, where I originally quoted Sobchuk.
If we really wish to understand Shakespeare’s greatness, then, we must consider two things: 1) his texts, and 2) what we have made of his texts, and why? We now have the intellectual tools to state the issue. As for actually dealing with it, I believe that’s a long-term project.
Two other posts that are relevant:
- That Shakespeare Thing, from 2011,
- I was right, Shakespeare isn’t real (Lit Lab 17) [#DH], from 2018
The 2011 post is the first time I looked at the issue. The 2018 post looks at data on literary prestige gathered at the Stanford Literary Lab.
Friday, April 23, 2021
Harold Bloom on Shakespeare's greatness
The late Harold Bloom was a bardolator without peer, so some have claimed. Whether he was the best I do not know, but bardolator he surely was. He devoted two books to Shakespeare, one about all his work, Shakespeare: The Invention of the Human, and one on Hamlet: Poem Unlimited. I’ve not read them, though I once leafed through the Shakespeare book in a bookstore. But here is a passage from an interview that he gave to the Paris Review (“The Art of Criticism, No. 1”, Spring 1991, interviewed by Antonio Weiss) where he talks of Shakespeare:
Western psychology is much more a Shakespearean invention than a Biblical invention, let alone, obviously, a Homeric, or Sophoclean, or even Platonic, never mind a Cartesian or Jungian invention. It’s not just that Shakespeare gives us most of our representations of cognition as such; I’m not so sure he doesn’t largely invent what we think of as cognition. I remember saying something like this to a seminar consisting of professional teachers of Shakespeare and one of them got very indignant and said, You are confusing Shakespeare with God. I don’t see why one shouldn’t, as it were. Most of what we know about how to represent cognition and personality in language was permanently altered by Shakespeare.
That seems to me rather overstated: Shakespeare inventing “what we think of as cognition.” Really.
Bloom goes on:
The principal insight that I’ve had in teaching and writing about Shakespeare is that there isn’t anyone before Shakespeare who actually gives you a representation of characters or human figures speaking out loud, whether to themselves or to others or both, and then brooding out loud, whether to themselves or to others or both, on what they themselves have said. And then, in the course of pondering, undergoing a serious or vital change, they become a different kind of character or personality and even a different kind of mind. We take that utterly for granted in representation. But it doesn’t exist before Shakespeare.
That’s more interesting, that Shakespeare as (perhaps) the first to show us how a person changes themselves. Bloom credits Chaucer as a predecessor, “But Chaucer does it only in fits and starts, and in small degree. Shakespeare does it all the time. It’s his common stock. The ability to do that and to persuade one that this is a natural mode of representation is purely Shakespearean and we are now so contained by it that we can’t see its originality anymore.”
Bloom goes on to tell how he came about this insight into Shakespeare’s originality:
I was teaching King Lear, and I’d reached a moment in the play that has always fascinated me. I suddenly saw what was going on. Edmund is the most remarkable villain in all Shakespeare, a manipulator so strong that he makes Iago seem minor in comparison. Edmund is a sophisticated and sardonic consciousness who can run rings around anyone else on the stage in King Lear. He is so foul that it takes Goneril and Regan, really, to match up to him . . . He’s received his death wound from his brother; he’s lying there on the battlefield. They bring in word that Goneril and Regan are dead—one slew the other and then committed suicide for his sake. Edmund broods out loud and says, quite extraordinarily (it’s all in four words), “Yet Edmund was belov’d.” One looks at those four words totally startled. As soon as he says it, he starts to ponder out loud. What are the implications that, though two monsters of the deep, the two loved me so much that one of them killed the other and then murdered herself. He reasons it out. He says, “The one the other poison’d for my sake / And after slew herself.” And then he suddenly says, “I pant for life,” and then amazingly he says, “Some good I mean to do / despite of mine own nature,” and he suddenly gasps out, having given the order for Lear and Cordelia to be killed, “Send in time,” to stop it. They don’t get there in time. Cordelia’s been murdered. And then Edmund dies. But that’s an astonishing change. It comes about as he hears himself say in real astonishment, “Yet Edmund was belov’d,” and on that basis, he starts to ponder. Had he not said that, he would not have changed. There’s nothing like that in literature before Shakespeare. It makes Freud unnecessary. The representation of inwardness is so absolute and large that we have no parallel to it before then.
I’m not sure in what sense it makes Freud unnecessary. To be sure, there are many who think that Freud was an unscientific fraud, but don’t think Bloom’s thought runs along those lines. He’s got something else in mind, something that seems to collapse the distinction between a theory about the mind and literary presentation of the mind in action. Literary criticism seems to do that sort of thing. Alas.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019
Just how good is Shakespeare anyhow?
- Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest welterweight boxer ever.
- Pound for pound Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer ever.
- Muhammad Ali is the greatest ever.
- Shakespeare is the greatest imaginative writer ever.
References
[1] See “Bardolatry, Tyler Cowen edition: Is Shakespeare a real person or a mostly mythic being?” New Savanna, April 30, 2017, https://new-savanna.blogspot.com/2017/04/bardolatry-tyler-cowen-edition-is.html. I quote Cowen as asserting, “Shakespeare is very likely the deepest thinker the human race has produced, so these are worth careful study!”
Also: “That Shakespeare Thing”, New Savanna, July 6, 2011,
https://new-savanna.blogspot.com/2011/07/that-shakespeare-thing.html.
[2] I discussed this at some length in “The Hunt for Genius, Part 2: Crackpots, athletes, 4 kinds of judgment, training, and Cultural Context”, New Savanna, October 19, 2017, https://new-savanna.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-hunt-for-genius-part-2.html.
[3] This post touches on that, “I was right, Shakespeare isn’t real (Lit Lab 17) [#DH]”, New Savanna, Sept. 30, 2019,
https://new-savanna.blogspot.com/2018/09/i-was-right-shakespeare-isnt-real-lit.html.
Sunday, April 30, 2017
Bardolatry, Tyler Cowen edition: Is Shakespeare a real person or a mostly mythic being?
Shakespeare beats anything you can come up with, unless it’s Shakespeare or everything else. Shakespeare’s gonna’ win. Anything you’re even tempted [...] Not many [novels] do I need to read five times, but there are easily 20, 25 Shakespeare plays I could just read the rest of my life N number of times and not get sick of them.
Addendum 6.15.2017, TC: "Shakespeare is very likely the deepest thinker the human race has produced, so these are worth careful study!"

