Yesterday I ran up a post (Is the system broken? The Legislative Process (+NATO))
in which I asserted my belief that our institutions are collapsing,
probably beyond repair. But I didn’t give any reason for that belief.
That’s the purpose of this post, to suggest how an argument could be
made.
First I run through my personal history from about the age of ten up
into the current century. That tells a lot about why I feel this way but
it is not itself an explanation. It doesn’t justify that feeling.
Most of this post takes the form of a conversation I had with Claude
about this subject. As the subject is deep and complex, that
conversation doesn’t itself provide an explanation. But it does indicate
how I think an explanation should be constructed. About two thirds of
the way through I made a long prompt in which I run through my personal
history. Claude’s response to that was a bit surprising to me, and quite
interesting.
How things look from my life experience
I
was born at the end of 1947. During the mid-1950s Walt Disney had
several episodes about man in space on his TV program. They had me
enthralled, as did Forbidden Planet, which I saw when it came out in
1956. Then Russia launched Sputnik in 1957. That’s when my personal
life, with fantasies of space exploration, intersected with world
history. I followed the space program for years, also building model
kits of space craft and making a painting or two.
A ten-year-old is not going to have a very sophisticated grasp of world
affairs. But it doesn’t take long for a ten-year-old to become 13 and
then 14. I’m very aware of the Cold War. I remember the Cuban Missile
Crisis, just barely, and the assassination of President Kennedy. I
remember the Civil Rights movement, mostly from TV, the news, and
discussions in school civics classes.
And then we have the Vietnam War, which played a major role in my life
during my teens and early 20s. I protested the war and served as a
conscientious objector. I was a fellow-traveler in the counter-culture,
turning on and tuning in (I played in a rock band from 69-71), but I
never really dropped. Still, I was sufficiently alienated from
mainstream America that I was indifferent to the moon landing in 1969. I
remember the OPEC oil embargo and its aftermath, which trigged the
demise of the steel industry in the USA. And so forth. I was deeply
disappointed when Ronald Reagan was elected President.
Let’s more or less say that the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989-90
was a major inflection point. I’d grown up during the Cold War so I’d
believed that conflict between the United States and the USSR was
written into the nature of the world. That event proved me wrong, though
I didn’t believe in Fukuyama’s end of history (and, yes, I did know
that he was talking about history in a very special and specific way),
nor that international conflict was at an end.
Not long after that we have the first Iraq war, which went by quickly.
Then 9/11 and the second Iraq war leading into the “war on terror” and
the war in Afghanistan. The USA had now repeated the Vietnam debacle
twice. Did we not learn?
We have the rise of inequality, the consequent Occupy movement – I
visited Zuccotti park in Lower Manhattan – and a nation where the
working class no longer has their interests effectively represented in
the federal government. Linking back to my youth, I remember when labor
unions were strong and a steelworker’s strike shut things down for half a
year. Now, unions are struggling to survive. All of this feels like
institutional collapse.
* * * * *
A conversation with Claude on civilization-level collapse
My Prompts are set in bold and highlighted in light blue.
Claude's replies are plainface and unadorned.
I believe there is a relatively recently academic literature on the
collapse of civilizations. Would you give me a quick review of it. What are the
major hypotheses and debates?
The academic literature on civilizational collapse has flourished over the
past few decades, producing several influential theories and ongoing debates.
Here's an overview of the major approaches:
Jared
Diamond's Environmental Determinism (Collapse,
2005) Diamond argues that civilizations collapse primarily due to environmental
degradation, often following a five-factor framework: environmental damage,
climate change, hostile neighbors, trade disruption, and society's responses to
problems. His case studies include Easter Island, Maya civilization, and Norse
Greenland.
Joseph
Tainter's Complexity Theory (The Collapse of Complex Societies, 1988) Tainter
proposes that societies become increasingly complex to solve problems, but
eventually hit diminishing returns where the cost of complexity exceeds its
benefits. Collapse represents a rational response - simplification when
complexity becomes too expensive to maintain.
Peter
Turchin's Structural-Demographic Theory Turchin uses
mathematical models to identify cyclical patterns, focusing on "elite
overproduction" - when societies produce more elites than can be
supported, leading to internal conflict and institutional breakdown.
1. Environmental/Resource
Depletion: Overexploitation of natural resources leads to
ecological collapse (Diamond, Wright's "progress traps")
2. Complexity
Overload: Administrative and social complexity becomes too
costly to maintain (Tainter)
3. Social
Fragmentation: Loss of social cohesion, trust, and shared
institutions (Putnam, Fukuyama)
4. Elite
Dynamics: Conflict between competing elites when resources
become scarce (Turchin, Goldstone)
5. External
Shocks: Climate change, pandemics, invasions, or economic
disruption overwhelming adaptive capacity
6. Institutional
Failure: Decay of governance structures and inability to
respond effectively to challenges
Monocausal
vs. Multicausal Explanations: Critics argue that single-factor
theories (like Diamond's environmental focus) oversimplify complex historical
processes. Most recent work emphasizes multiple interacting factors.
Gradualism
vs. Sudden Collapse: Whether collapse is typically a slow
decline or rapid breakdown. Recent work suggests both patterns exist, often
depending on system resilience and feedback loops.
Predictability:
Whether collapses follow predictable patterns that can be modeled (Turchin's
approach) or are fundamentally unpredictable due to complex system dynamics.
Definition
of "Collapse": Ongoing debate about what constitutes
collapse versus transformation, adaptation, or reorganization.
- Network
Analysis: Studying how trade networks, information flows,
and social connections affect resilience
- Climate-Society
Interactions: More sophisticated modeling of
climate-civilization relationships
- Big
Data Approaches: Using large datasets to test theories
across multiple cases
- Resilience
Theory: Focus shifting from causes of collapse to factors
that promote survival and adaptation
The field faces several challenges:
- Survivorship
Bias: We study failed civilizations while successful
adaptations may be less visible
- Definitional
Problems: What counts as a "civilization" and
what constitutes "collapse"
- Data
Limitations: Historical records are often incomplete or
biased
- Modern
Relevance: Debate over whether lessons from pre-modern
societies apply to contemporary global civilization
The literature increasingly emphasizes that collapse and resilience exist on
a spectrum, and that understanding both failure and successful adaptation is
crucial for addressing contemporary challenges like climate change,
technological disruption, and social polarization.