Psychedelics, Meditation, and the Brain | Robert Wright & Kathryn Devaney

0:00 Kati’s very unusual Venn diagram
4:24 Your brain on meditation
10:31 The time Bob’s meditation got weird
16:15 What are the “jhanas”?
25:06 What science tells us about the jhana states
31:25 Are psychedelics gateway drugs to meditation?
40:57 Kati: Here’s how we get “not-self” wrong…
46:22 Psychedelics vs meditation—neuroscientifically
54:31 Heading to Overtime